[2007]China unfit to host 2008 games. Who cares Olympic games?

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Yu, David     david.yu at oregonstate.edu
Thu May 10 17:23:45 PDT 2007

Who cares Olympic games? May be you, may be me or may be an ordinary
Chinese. But it should not be the focal task of  Beijing bureaucrats. Of
course that gal is bias (I even did not bother to read her article). Who
is not? Technically, the fitness issue for the games should be on the
infrastructure of the host cities. However, the money-burning games is
more than a game in China. Have you ever heard a critical opinion in
official Chinese media? I doubt the 2008 games is all good for all
Chinese.  In my opinion, it is used by the bureaucrats to boost their
image abroad and only benefits a small portion of the vast country.
Chinese government has many other better places to spend money on. The
government should ask the people who pay the cost about hosting the
games at the first place. My point may be far stretched. But that's my
point on the games.

David

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>       another finger pointing game? (Zeng,Jin)
>    3. Re: China unfit to host 2008 games,    try not turn this into
>       another finger pointing game? (mayi at onid.orst.edu)
>    4. Re: China unfit to host 2008 games, try not turn this into
>       another finger pointing game? (Wenchao Xu)
>    5. Re: China unfit to host 2008 games,    try not turn this into
>       another finger pointing game? (mayi at onid.orst.edu)
>    6. ???  China unfit to host 2008 games, try not turn this into
>       another finger pointing game? (xinfeng king)
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> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:33:31 -0700
> From: Wei Wu <wuw2 at onid.oregonstate.edu>
> Subject: [China] China unfit to host 2008 games, try not turn this
>     into another finger pointing game?
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> Maybe you all noticed, there's one super biased column on
> barometer today, done by a kid from political science department.
>
> Even being a person not interested in politics, I can see her
> naiveness in interpreting fact or part of the fact in order
> to rush into her conclusion.
>
> I guess each of us as an individual or as a group has the
> right to express our opinion on this topic, too. so maybe we
> should put together a response and send it to barometer?
> someone want to coordinate?
>
> here's the online version of the column
>
> http://media.barometer.orst.edu/media/storage/paper854/news/20
> 07/05/10/Forum/China.Unfit.To.Host.2008.Games-2899137.shtml
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> Wei Wu
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:54:22 +0000
> From: "Zeng,Jin" <spiritzeng at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [China] China unfit to host 2008 games, try not turn this
>     into another finger pointing game?
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> I also read this article. That gal is completely unaware of
> the really situation about China. She maybe just read some
> books/articles from few authors, put together a review and
> and then ridiculously came up with an idea that it's not
> appropriate for China to host Olympic Games.
>  
>  
> But it's in America, people have the "right" to speak what
> they think, even if they are completely wrong or biased. What
> are we gonna do about it? If we stand up they may say we are
> against people's right to speak. Maybe we can only post
> comments on web.
>  
>  
> Jin
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> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:33:31 -0700> From:
> wuw2 at onid.oregonstate.edu> To: china at lists.oregonstate.edu>
> Subject: [China] China unfit to host 2008 games, try not turn
> this into another finger pointing game?> > Maybe you all
> noticed, there's one super biased column on barometer >
> today, done by a kid from political science department.> >
> Even being a person not interested in politics, I can see her
> naiveness > in interpreting fact or part of the fact in order
> to rush into her > conclusion.> > I guess each of us as an
> individual or as a group has the right to > express our
> opinion on this topic, too. so maybe we should put together >
> a response and send it to barometer? someone want to
> coordinate?> > here's the online version of the column> >
> http://media.barometer.orst.edu/media/storage/paper854/news/20
> 07/05/10/Forum/China.Unfit.To.Host.2008.Games-2899137.shtml>
> > > Wei Wu> >
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> From: mayi at onid.orst.edu
> Subject: Re: [China] China unfit to host 2008 games,    try not
> turn this
>     into another finger pointing game?
> To: Wei Wu <wuw2 at onid.oregonstate.edu>
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> Thank you, Wei Wu. I saw the article, and it is surely not
> one any Chinese would be happy about. I know little about
> politics, but I do want to join you. We can wait for more
> response. Thank you again.
> Yiqing
>
> Quoting Wei Wu <wuw2 at onid.oregonstate.edu>:
>
> > Maybe you all noticed, there's one super biased column on barometer
> > today, done by a kid from political science department.
> >
> > Even being a person not interested in politics, I can see her
> > naiveness in interpreting fact or part of the fact in order to rush
> > into her conclusion.
> >
> > I guess each of us as an individual or as a group has the right to
> > express our opinion on this topic, too. so maybe we should put
> > together a response and send it to barometer? someone want
> to coordinate?
> >
> > here's the online version of the column
> >
> >
> http://media.barometer.orst.edu/media/storage/paper854/news/20
> 07/05/10/Forum/China.Unfit.To.Host.2008.Games-2899137.shtml
> >
> >
> > Wei Wu
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> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:01:31 -0700
> From: Wenchao Xu <xuw at onid.orst.edu>
> Subject: Re: [China] China unfit to host 2008 games, try not turn this
>     into another finger pointing game?
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> En, I don't quite agree with you. They have the right to
> speak but they don't have the right to point out the issue
> that might give rise to discriminative actions against ours
> as a whole. Read the article careful, she uses "China"
> "Chinese" instead of "Chinese Government" or "Beijing".
> That's really annoying...
>
> Wenchao
>
> Zeng,Jin wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > --
> >
> >
> > I also read this article. That gal is completely unaware of
> the really
> > situation about China. She maybe just read some books/articles from
> > few authors, put together a review and and then
> ridiculously came up
> > with an idea that it's not appropriate for China to host
> Olympic Games.
> >
> >
> > But it's in America, people have the "right" to speak what
> they think,
> > even if they are completely wrong or biased. What are we gonna do
> > about it? If we stand up they may say we are against
> people's right to
> > speak. Maybe we can only post comments on web.
> >
> >
> > Jin
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:33:31 -0700
> > > From: wuw2 at onid.oregonstate.edu
> > > To: china at lists.oregonstate.edu
> > > Subject: [China] China unfit to host 2008 games, try not turn this
> > into another finger pointing game?
> > >
> > > Maybe you all noticed, there's one super biased column on
> barometer
> > > today, done by a kid from political science department.
> > >
> > > Even being a person not interested in politics, I can see her
> > > naiveness in interpreting fact or part of the fact in
> order to rush
> > > into her conclusion.
> > >
> > > I guess each of us as an individual or as a group has the
> right to
> > > express our opinion on this topic, too. so maybe we should put
> > > together a response and send it to barometer? someone
> want to coordinate?
> > >
> > > here's the online version of the column
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://media.barometer.orst.edu/ ... 854/news/2007/05/10
> > /Forum/China.Unfit.To.Host.2008.Games-2899137.shtml
> > >
> > >
> > > Wei Wu
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> From: mayi at onid.orst.edu
> Subject: Re: [China] China unfit to host 2008 games,    try not
> turn this
>     into another finger pointing game?
> To: "Zeng,Jin" <spiritzeng at hotmail.com>
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> What occured to me is we are not against her or any person's
> right to speak. You are exactly right that this is America,
> so we have our right to speak too.
> Posting comment on web is a action to contact to her and
> change her opinion, which I don't think is possible and
> necessary. The purpose of speaking on barometer is to tell
> others we have our standpoint too.
>
> And if we decide to do this, I'm highly recommend to calm
> down ourselves and be in a high gesture. Don't be too
> political. Believe it's just a misunderstanding. Come on,
> she's just a kid, give her a break. What we are doing is that
> we feel responsible to speak out what we saw and believe to be true.
> Yiqing
>
> Quoting "Zeng,Jin" <spiritzeng at hotmail.com>:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I also read this article. That gal is completely unaware of
> the really
> > situation about China. She maybe just read some books/articles from
> > few authors, put together a review and and then
> ridiculously came up
> > with an idea that it's not appropriate for China to host
> Olympic Games.
> >
> >
> > But it's in America, people have the "right" to speak what
> they think,
> > even if they are completely wrong or biased. What are we gonna do
> > about it? If we stand up they may say we are against
> people's right to
> > speak. Maybe we can only post comments on web.
> >
> >
> > Jin
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:33:31 -0700> From:
> wuw2 at onid.oregonstate.edu> To:
> > china at lists.oregonstate.edu> Subject: [China] China unfit
> to host 2008
> > games, try not turn this into another finger pointing
> game?> > Maybe
> > you all noticed, there's one super biased column on
> barometer > today,
> > done by a kid from political science department.> > Even being a
> > person not interested in politics, I can see her naiveness > in
> > interpreting fact or part of the fact in order to rush into her >
> > conclusion.> > I guess each of us as an individual or as a
> group has
> > the right to > express our opinion on this topic, too. so maybe we
> > should put together > a response and send it to barometer? someone
> > want to coordinate?> > here's the online version of the
> > column> >
> >
> http://media.barometer.orst.edu/media/storage/paper854/news/20
> 07/05/10/Forum/China.Unfit.To.Host.2008.Games-2899137.shtml>
> > > > Wei Wu> >
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> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:23:35 +0800 (CST)
> From: xinfeng king <jilader at yahoo.com.cn>
> Subject: [China] ???  China unfit to host 2008 games, try not turn
>     this into another finger pointing game?
> To: mayi at onid.orst.edu, Wei Wu <wuw2 at onid.oregonstate.edu>
> Cc: china at lists.oregonstate.edu
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> Hi, fellows
> JUST TAKE IT EASY.
> And I really appreciate that we Chinese could share this kind
> of information with each other.
>
> No matter what, fact is fact. China already got the right to
> host the 2008 Olympics, isn't it? So what did Jassica (the
> reporter) say woundn't change the fact. There are bias and
> misunderstanding between China and the western world, this is
> also the fact. And another fact I want to address is that
> there are problems like humen right violations back in China.
> So all of these facts wouldn't change whatever we are discussing here.
> Jassica's basic evidence against the China's 2008 Olympic is
> built up based on the human right issue. However, this issue
> is also a big problem in the morden western world. So there
> is not much to argue about. And as a political major like
> Jassica, you can not predict her potential intent of issueing
> this report.......
> The evidence may be valid, however it dosen't neccessarily
> mean the conclusion is also valid. So what we should do is
> trying to improve, not debate.
>
> And if we unite together strongly, one Jassica cannot defeat
> us, neither thousands.
>
> And have a good day, all Chinese fellows. Don't let this
> interupt your mood anyway
>
>
> Xinfeng
>
>
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> ???? "mayi at onid.orst.edu" <mayi at onid.orst.edu> ???? Wei Wu
> <wuw2 at onid.oregonstate.edu> ??? china at lists.oregonstate.edu
> ???? 2007/5/10(??), ??2:57:28 ??? Re: [China] China unfit to
> host 2008 games, try not turn this into another finger pointing game?
>
>
> Thank you, Wei Wu. I saw the article, and it is surely not
> one any Chinese would be happy about. I know little about
> politics, but I do want to join you. We can wait for more
> response. Thank you again.
> Yiqing
>
> Quoting Wei Wu <wuw2 at onid.oregonstate.edu>:
>
> > Maybe you all noticed, there's one super biased column on barometer
> > today, done by a kid from political science department.
> >
> > Even being a person not interested in politics, I can see her
> > naiveness in interpreting fact or part of the fact in order to rush
> > into her conclusion.
> >
> > I guess each of us as an individual or as a group has the right to
> > express our opinion on this topic, too. so maybe we should put
> > together a response and send it to barometer? someone want
> to coordinate?
> >
> > here's the online version of the column
> >
> >
> http://media.barometer.orst.edu/media/storage/paper854/news/20
> 07/05/10/Forum/China.Unfit.To.Host.2008.Games-2899137.shtml
> >
> >
> > Wei Wu
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